Shoutbox

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
I signed in using two .NET Passports: one in Windows Messenger and other in MSN Messenger. Suppose I talk to a contact using the .NET Passport in Windows Messenger. When I later talk to the same contact using the .NET Passport in MSN Messenger the Plus! Log file for the contact gets renamed to <mycontact>.txt.old and a new <mycontact>.txt is created. I wonder why Plus! is doing this. I was expecting it to append to the existing file?

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That happens when in one .net passport account you've configured Plus to save chat logs in Unicode format and in the other .net passport account Plus saves the logs in ansi format.

Both formats are incompatible and Plus has to create a .old file because it can't append the conversation in ansi format to an unicode file (nor viceversa).

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
A much better solution in my opinion would be saving the log files as follows:

My Chat Logs\<mynickname@hotmail.com>\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

Currently it is:
My Chat Logs\<Year Month>\nickname@hotmail.com.txt

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can't you do that going to preferences > loggin > archiving and selecting "create a diferent directory for each file"?

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That happens when in one .net passport account you've configured Plus to save chat logs in Unicode format and in the other .net passport account Plus saves the logs in ansi format.

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You are exactly right. One was having ANSI and the other was having Unicode. I changed both to Unicode now.
Sorry it was my mistake that I thought renaming to .old was done because of having two .NET Passports. I forgot it happens because of the reason you mentioned.

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can't you do that going to preferences > loggin > archiving and selecting "create a diferent directory for each file"?

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Thanks for the suggestion but I prefer archiving by Month.

Cheers,
McoreD

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Like Wabz said:

C:\Docum.....\My Documents\Chat logs\<Emaill>\
Where (email) would be an idividual .net passports logs

would be a solution.

Hi Choli, I tested Messenger Plus! with two .NET Passports talking to the same person:

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Originally posted by TGG
If you are signed in with two accounts and are talking to the same person on both accounts, and both conversations where saved to the same file, then in that chat log you would have both conversations mixed together.

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Testing Environment:
iiMcoreD and McoreD [MSUN] are my two .NET Passports and I am talking to the same contact BrainyNerd.

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[06:29:25 AM] iiMcoreD: ppl just do alt-tab probably
[06:30:04 AM] iiMcoreD: u agree ?
[06:28:38 AM] BrainyNerd: i need a cabinet
[06:28:46 AM] BrainyNerd: the damn noise of the switch is killing me
[06:29:01 AM] McoreD [MSUN: i have the same problem with the router
[06:29:09 AM] BrainyNerd: noise?
[06:29:16 AM] McoreD [MSUN: a high pitch noise
[06:29:21 AM] BrainyNerd: yeah
[06:29:23 AM] BrainyNerd: i heard
[06:29:30 AM] BrainyNerd: it is a hardware problem
[06:29:38 AM] McoreD [MSUN: yeah but i hope it doesnt affect the
              performace
[06:29:51 AM] BrainyNerd: it doesnt affectt anything
[06:29:56 AM] McoreD [MSUN: phew
[06:30:04 AM] BrainyNerd: but it was just how it was made and
              deisgned
[06:30:15 AM] BrainyNerd: there is a new version to fix the problem i
              think
[06:30:24 AM] McoreD [MSUN: oic
[06:30:41 AM] BrainyNerd: well some of the people i talk to are not
              computer literate so they wouldnt
[06:30:45 AM] BrainyNerd: but most of us do
[06:31:11 AM] iiMcoreD: yep
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TGG is right. This is just like when having group conversations saved. It's really not bad. But still an option to have the configuration as C:\Docum.....\My Documents\Chat logs\<Email>\
where (email) would be an idividual .net passports logs will still be a better solution.

Cheers,
McoreD

I've never said that conversation wouldn't be mixed if you use 2 accounts to talk to the same person

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
But still an option to have the configuration as C:\Docum.....\My Documents\Chat logs\<Email>\
where (email) would be an idividual .net passports logs will still be a better solution.

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That <Email> is your email or your contact's one? If it's yours, you can set diferent folders for each account, just go to the preferences. If you mean that you want to create one folder for each contacts, there's an option in the preferences too, but that won't solve the problem of conversations being mixed when using 2 accounts.

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
Hi Choli, I tested Messenger Plus! with two .NET Passports talking to the same person:

Testing Environment:
iiMcoreD and McoreD [MSUN] are my two .NET Passports and I am talking to the same contact BrainyNerd.

code:

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TGG is right. This is just like when having group conversations saved. It's really not bad.

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It is very bad.... You forget to take in account the interval in which the texts are saved to the log (note: it is NOT done per text you send to your contact). If, on one account it is 5 minutes and on the other 5 seconds, your whole log will realy be screwed up.

I had a problem a week or two ago.  Here's the situation:

I have Friend 1 as a contact of two accounts I have: Account A and Account B.
I use Account A, and have been talking to Friend 1, and have accumulated a chat log.
I log off Account A, and login to Account B.
Friend 1 messages me on Account B, and the chat log that was created for Friend 1 on Account A was deleted (there wasn't even a .txt.old or .old.txt.) and a new chat log was created.

I like the idea of having the chat logs separated by account first, then by month, then the logs of each contact.

I'm wondering if this has been implemented by default in the next version, as I think it isn't a bad idea and would save logs from mysteriously disappearing >.>

MSN Messenger logs separate the logs by account by default. 

Yeah, I agree with that too. Microsoft Messenger does it nicely that way too:
Also gaim.

Cheers,
McoreD

I never use the chatlog service from MSN Messenger

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Originally posted by dennistt
I had a problem a week or two ago.  Here's the situation:

I have Friend 1 as a contact of two accounts I have: Account A and Account B.
I use Account A, and have been talking to Friend 1, and have accumulated a chat log.
I log off Account A, and login to Account B.
Friend 1 messages me on Account B, and the chat log that was created for Friend 1 on Account A was deleted (there wasn't even a .txt.old or .old.txt.) and a new chat log was created.

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That should not occur and might be a bug.

But remember that it is never a good idea to have the chatlog directories the same for all the account you're using. There are always going to be problems if you do that.

Set a different directory for each account you use.

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Originally posted by dennistt
I like the idea of having the chat logs separated by account first

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They are and always have been

You simply set the logging directory to another directory for each account.

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Originally posted by dennistt
then by month, then the logs of each contact.

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Again, this is how it has always been (that is, archiving by date).

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Originally posted by ~*McoreD*~
Yeah, I agree with that too. Microsoft Messenger does it nicely that way too:
Also gaim.

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Actually it doesn't....

It only "sorts" them by account, just as before and just as Plus! also does (and Plus! can archive the chats for real! by month/date, messenger does not)...

What you see in that date/time window of messenger's chat log viewer is simply taken from that very same chatlog from "mcored@blablah". It is nothing more than a resume of what you will find in the log itself. The same goes for the "chats". Everything you see in that chat log viewer is nothing more than 1 file and all taken from that very same file, there is nothing sorted seperatly on your harddisk, it is all in 1 file (unsorted nota bene).

PS: please reduce the size of your screenshot, it messes up the thread layout.

CookieRevised, it is true with the new Messenger Plus! Live

What I suggested a year ago for Messenger Plus! was to save the .txt files in the following way:

My Chat Logs\mcored@betaone.jet\April 2005\hotrod@hotmail.com.txt
My Chat Logs\mcored@microsoftusernetwork.com\April 2005\sean@msn.com.txt

etc.

But since MsgPlus!Live has implemented a Chat Log Viewer like in Microsoft Messenger (above) or gaim, the problem goes away. The reason is, like you said, the View extracts that data out from the text/html files for chat log date, .net passport name and chat session and then present them in a nice way to the user.

Cheers,
McoreD