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Do heaven and hell exist?
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RE: RE: Do heaven and hell exist?
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Originally posted by Ahmad
In the Name of Allaah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,

Do Heaven and Hell exist? Most certainly, I believe so.

Why? Well, without going into scripture (because not everyone believes in certain books [perhaps this is another discussion]) I'll just tell you how I see it.

As toddlers we are taught that if we do something bad, we receive a punishment of some kind (whether that be no chocolate or a smack on the bum, lol) and if we do something good then we receive a reward. This is true throughout our childhood, being a teenager and an adult - throughout our whole lives. This is also true through common law, if you break the law you receive a punishment, and if you do something outstanding then you are acknowledged and receive a reward.

So, are people wronged in this life without receiving justice? Yes. Do people do good and aren't rewarded? Yes.
Totally disagree with this, if you do good to other people, people will treat you like that too. that'd be your reward :)
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So it's only logical that after one dies, there is a recompense for all those actions, a punishment and a reward. How can one deny this, and why is it so hard to believe when we don't deny it in this life?

If you don't believe in life after death, then you believe that your life is without meaning. If you don't believe in life after death, then I ask you what are you doing here? Go out, have fun, do whatever you want, absolutely anything that makes you feel good.. good or bad? Who cares! Just do it! Why? You believe you won't be judged and punished/rewarded in the next life, you believe there is nothing, so stop wasting your meaningless life and at least have some fun while you're here (not that you'll remember it after, because you'll cease to exist, remember?). In fact, kill yourself right now and rid yourself of this misery. Absolutely Meaningless.
Why would I kill myself? for the time I have to spend on this earth, I like it :)
And I totally disagree with the part about doing whatever you want,
You and I are sharing this world with a lot of others, and if we don't respect those others, how can I expect others to respect me?
and if others don't respect me, how can I keep this a happy life :)?
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If you believe the above, and believe in God, then you also believe that God has put us here for fun and play, without wisdom, implying God is imperfect.

I believe we have been created to worship God how GOD intended us to worship Him, how do we know how? Perhaps this is yet another discussion. In short, I believe that if you submit to God how He intended you to then you will be judged on your deeds and be punished or forgiven for your sins, be recompensed for any injustice towards you, and inevitably enter Paradise for eternity. On the flip side, I believe if you don't submit to God the way He intended, you will receive justice from the others that wronged you on the day of judgment, and then you will go to Hellfire, for eternity.
Well, that's what you believe, and I respect you for that.
What I don't respect however is people trying to convince others of their religion. I don't like terrorists, I don't like those silly christians ringing your door to tell you about god. But don't get me wrong, if you're not going to spam me to death with this theory, I won't hate you, because you put it here for others to read, and others can decide for themselves if they want to read it or not :)
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And as ~INVASION~ mentioned, if you're wrong, you'll suffer for it. If I'm wrong, I lost nothing (and infact led a very happy and fruitful life). But if I'm right (and I believe with 100% certainty with a foundation that can not be shaken [because of the proof that my religion gives], that I am right), the reward is Paradise.

Yeah, if I'm wrong, I'll probably suffer (although I don't think I've actually ever done REAL bad :P).
But for now, I'm willing to take that chance, since I have seen absolutely no proof, not even vague proof, to religions except for books made up by people.
Some might argue that people have seen the light, but keep in mind that there are also a lot of people claiming to have been kidnapped by aliens :P
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Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 09:02 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by SikStyles on 03-04-2005 at 09:06 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by user27089 on 03-04-2005 at 09:06 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by M73A on 03-04-2005 at 09:07 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by SikStyles on 03-04-2005 at 09:11 PM
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RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by andrey on 03-04-2005 at 09:22 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by M73A on 03-04-2005 at 09:23 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 09:38 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by user27089 on 03-04-2005 at 09:40 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 09:47 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by user27089 on 03-04-2005 at 09:48 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by saralk on 03-04-2005 at 09:49 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 09:52 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ~INVASION~ on 03-04-2005 at 09:56 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 10:06 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by M73A on 03-04-2005 at 10:07 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ~INVASION~ on 03-04-2005 at 10:10 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 10:14 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ~INVASION~ on 03-04-2005 at 10:20 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ProblemWv Authority on 03-04-2005 at 10:26 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Ahmad on 03-04-2005 at 10:28 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by andrey on 03-04-2005 at 10:32 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by DJeX on 03-04-2005 at 10:38 PM
RE: RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ProblemWv Authority on 03-04-2005 at 10:47 PM
RE: RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by paperless on 03-04-2005 at 11:18 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 11:04 PM
RE: RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Ahmad on 03-04-2005 at 11:58 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by andrey on 03-04-2005 at 11:20 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 11:28 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by ~INVASION~ on 03-04-2005 at 11:40 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 11:47 PM
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RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-04-2005 at 11:58 PM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by paperless on 03-05-2005 at 12:03 AM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-05-2005 at 12:11 AM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by TheBlasphemer on 03-05-2005 at 12:23 AM
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RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by user44571 on 03-05-2005 at 11:09 AM
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RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by user44571 on 03-05-2005 at 12:00 PM
RE: RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by TheBlasphemer on 03-05-2005 at 12:35 PM
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RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Pipish on 03-07-2005 at 04:17 AM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Joa on 03-07-2005 at 04:23 AM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by Ahmad on 03-07-2005 at 04:44 AM
RE: Do heaven and hell exist? - by haydos on 03-07-2005 at 04:50 AM
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