@Jimmyheb
Yes, there is bad talk about Plus! on the web. But if you look closely, they all say exactly the same. This is because they actually all copy from each other and none of those reports show the true facts about Plus! and even about the LOP sponsor.
It is very regretfully that even people with some influence don't bother researching the true facts because they are so blindfolded by their "quest against malware". Many of those people who talk bad about Plus! are simply self-proclaimed computerexperts aka, they call themselfs computer experts and they shout the loudest. This makes that the newbie, non-expert believes what those people say and copy it without question. And those so called computer experts, on their turn, then use arguments like: see everbody thinks the same... Thus you get a spiral effect.
The sad truth is, they only know much stuff about a very small bit and mostly this is spyware/adware, nothing more
(*). And because of that they are extremely blind folded (I can list some people by name, people who I'm sure you came across in your search) and don't bother researching anything. But because they shout the loudest and _seem_ to know stuff, they have big influences on the forums they frequent
(**). And of course other people, like you, come across this and most of them, unlike you, believe everything strait away as long as it looks good and is what they wanted to hear...
The few that do some research and don't take things for granted are very rare (I can list them by name too)... But of course because they go against the things which the others say or because they don't say what others want to hear, they have far less influence...
To illustrate this "quality in posting" difference and what to believe or not is simple. The posts telling you bad stuff about Plus! don't contain any shred of evidence except the usual hear-say like "they say this on that forum" and very vague stuff which is often based on nothing like "I have experienced this".
On the other hand, Patchou and we as supporters, have, time and again, provided very detailed explanations about what's happening, how the setup works, etc. Patchou even once posted the actual source of procedures which were questionned by those anti-Plus!'ers...
(*) Those who claim to be PC wizards and in the next post tell you they had to reformat or re-install windows or what not to get rid of spyware are full of *beep*. A true PC wizard knows that reformatting, or even re-installing windows is almost always not needed at all, and certainly not to remove a program or even some spyware. All it takes, in a worst case scenario, is editing registry settings and deleting some files. Those self-claimed PC wizards might know a lot about spyware, but often don't know that much about computers and programs in general, let alone that they have some knowledge about programming or somthing (I know I generalize a lot here, but still).
(**) for S.H., if you read this, that paragraph isn't about you (in this case) but about certain individuals on certain anti-spyware forums...
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However, you are indeed correct that, in a marketing point of view, these nonsense posts are not good. But Plus! doesn't need more marketing than it already has. The "many" bad postings aren't that massive in numbers though. They actually are only a small raindrop on a hot plate, nothing more. And luckally, most people can see thru those bad postings right away or actually read what they install.
The association with Lop can be bad, granted. But the truth is that Lop comes in many flavors and the sponsor package associated with Plus! is the absolute minimum you can get, and even then, it was stripped down even more. Most people that install Plus! and/or the optional sponsor don't care about what "level" the sponsor is. Simply because the "level" is so low that it doesn't harm anybody. It are only those few anti-Plus!'ers that make sound like it is the worst of the worst and will infect you even by looking at it.
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Before the optional sponsor was ever introduced, Patchou has considered many things. He even tried other stuff. The truth is, simple ads or a donate button wont work.
Some people have argumanted that it does work. Yes, true, for their small sites or product. But if you know that the download traffic generated on the Plus! servers and stuff goes in the TB's (instead of the GB's or MB's which most people will have) you will understand that a simple ad isn't sufficient.
For a long time people have suggested stuff. But these suggestions were always the same, and none provided a good alternative at all, for Plus! that is. Tbh, we have all heared them: ads, paypal, google, etc etc... none are a good alternative.
As an anekdote for this. Once there was someone who suggested to use some ads or whatever (can't remember) "just like that massive popular site about msn messenger" he said. He refused to believe that ads don't work. True, it worked for that specific site and for the current traffic for that site, but it wouldn't work for something as Messenger Plus!. Despite everything, he hammered on the fact that "if it works for that site, it works for Plus!"... Now, a few weeks ago, Patchou released a pre-release, only available on mess.be and 2 other very popular msn messenger sites. Soon after it got copied/leaked to other sites and with it took some sites down just because of the massive downloads it generated. The download bandwidth of that particualr example site of that dude was exceeded in no time. Just to say that many people have no idea what costs are involved in Plus! as a total package. And all that is included in this optional sponsor and the bussiness deal that Patchou has with the sponsor
(and this also explains the reference you might have come across to a page which lists Patchou and the C2Media/Lop directors side by side; that page does not mean Patchou is also director of Lop, as those anti-Plus!'ers might claim; it means that Patchou and his company and the Lop company have a bussiness contract: the sponsor contract.).
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Originally posted by kipper2258
The power of the people should be considered, they can just as easily abandon your software, as they can use it.
The ever increasing number of Plus! users tells enough I think
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