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Good site anyway but thank god you can turn the music off Also I like how you don't have to scroll down its just all in front of you.

The only thing that made me close my browser straight away was the loud music

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

Why is your designers site using the same layout?

http://xeeder.ambisquad.com/

Seems dodgy - and it is one whole image.

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Indeed, seems like he made one design and is ripping it off as many.

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

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Originally posted by Exca
Code freaks ^^ I still think it's about the content... flash codes much faster then javascript for the same purpose so why would he have done it that way..

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Oh dear.

I could list 10,000 reasons why it should have been done in HTML/JS


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Why is your designers site using the same layout?

http://xeeder.ambisquad.com/

Seems dodgy - and it is one whole image.

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It's not mine it's my friend's and he's quite busy so he didn't sliced it yet.

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

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Originally posted by Exca
Code freaks ^^ I still think it's about the content... flash codes much faster then javascript for the same purpose so why would he have done it that way..

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Oh dear.

I could list 10,000 reasons why it should have been done in HTML/JS


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Why is your designers site using the same layout?

http://xeeder.ambisquad.com/

Seems dodgy - and it is one whole image.

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Ok, I'm the designer

About those 10,000 reasons, why don't you list a few?

The other site (http://xeeder.ambisquad.com) still has to be sliced idd, and it'll probably be in XHTML/CSS. But I'm really busy now so I didn't had the time yet.

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Originally posted by vaccination

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

Why is your designers site using the same layout?

http://xeeder.ambisquad.com/

Seems dodgy - and it is one whole image.

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Indeed, seems like he made one design and is ripping it off as many.

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Sorry but there's a clear difference between all my designs. I just like some unity in all of my creations. That's why the background and container are alike on all of my designs.

Nice Flash site, however I'm not a Flash-fan. I prefer the beautiful HTML+CSS coding.

But nicely done!

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Originally posted by Xeeder
About those 10,000 reasons, why don't you list a few?

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• Search engine optimisation
  
• Usability
  
• Accessibility (legally, your site must be accessible by those with disabilities)
  
• Screen readers cannot read Flash content
  
• Mobile/portable browser access
  
• Flash files are larger
  
• You require people have flash installed to view anything on the site
  
• There's no reason for it to be flash - the layout isn't "interactive" - it is static content
  
• I can't use [Page down] to scroll through the content on the pages. Why should I need to use my mouse to view a web page?

I could go on.

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Originally posted by Xeeder
Sorry but there's a clear difference between all my designs. I just like some unity in all of my creations. That's why the background and container are alike on all of my designs.

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Fair enough, just wondered.

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Originally posted by Chris Boulton

• Search engine optimisation
  
• Usability
  
• Accessibility (legally, your site must be accessible by those with disabilities)
  
• Screen readers cannot read Flash content
  
• Mobile/portable browser access
  
• Flash files are larger
  
• You require people have flash installed to view anything on the site
  
• There's no reason for it to be flash - the layout isn't "interactive" - it is static content
  
• I can't use [Page down] to scroll through the content on the pages. Why should I need to use my mouse to view a web page?

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my feedback on your reasons in order:

• Your right about that, but for this site the title, meta description and meta keywords are enough
  
• 99% of our visitors have flash installed and the site isn't difficult to use.
  
• With all due respect for those with disabilities but we can't do good for everyone! We have to keep in mind that the people we are trying to reach love animation and flash websites.
  
• Same answer as the above question
  
• My mobile views the website perfectly and I'm working on a RSS feed that can be used by mobile/portable users.
  
• The total size of the swf file is 288KB, that takes about 0,5 seconds to load for people with a broadband connection and about 4,8 seconds for people with a smallband connection. Sorry but people who can't wait that long just aren't worth it to visit the site. Anyway if I had done it without flash it would certainly have been more than 288KB and it would be much slower because the visitor would have to load multiple files.
  
• 99% of our visitors have flash installed and 100% of the people we purpose to reach with this website have flash installed.
  
• There are fading effects wich cannot be done as fluently with any other technology than flash, i don't like seeing anoying page refreshes everytime I click a menu-item, it's better to stream music, ... the content is not static, there's a shoutbox, every tekst you see on the website comes out of a mysql database.
  
• Why do some people use a electric lawn mower and some a lawn mower driven by oil? It does the same thing so what does it mather? And if you don't like to use your mouse, why do you have one?

The way a website is maid depends on the people you make it for. The people we make it for just have flash installed, have a mouse they like to use, don't like the ugly standard scrollbars and just love to hear some music .

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Originally posted by Xeeder
my feedback on your reasons in order:

• Your right about that, but for this site the title, meta description and meta keywords are enough
  
• 99% of our visitors have flash installed and the site isn't difficult to use.
  
• With all due respect for those with disabilities but we can't do good for everyone! We have to keep in mind that the people we are trying to reach love animation and flash websites.
  
• Same answer as the above question
  
• My mobile views the website perfectly and I'm working on a RSS feed that can be used by mobile/portable users.
  
• The total size of the swf file is 288KB, that takes about 0,5 seconds to load for people with a broadband connection and about 4,8 seconds for people with a smallband connection. Sorry but people who can't wait that long just aren't worth it to visit the site. Anyway if I had done it without flash it would certainly have been more than 288KB and it would be much slower because the visitor would have to load multiple files.
  
• 99% of our visitors have flash installed and 100% of the people we purpose to reach with this website have flash installed.
  
• There are fading effects wich cannot be done as fluently with any other technology than flash, i don't like seeing anoying page refreshes everytime I click a menu-item, it's better to stream music, ... the content is not static, there's a shoutbox, every tekst you see on the website comes out of a mysql database.
  
• Why do some people use a electric lawn mower and some a lawn mower driven by oil? It does the same thing so what does it mather? And if you don't like to use your mouse, why do you have one?

The way a website is maid depends on the people you make it for. The people we make it for just have flash installed, have a mouse they like to use, don't like the ugly standard scrollbars and just love to hear some music .

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1.) No, the meta tags are not enough, what about the site content?
2.) 99%, there are still 1% without it.
3.) Just because someones disabled, doesnt mean they should be left out
4.) Same as above
5.) Yeah, but not all mobiles have flash for example.
6.) most could code that up so it's less than 288kb :/
7.) Not really, not all people who want dj's will have flash.
8.) Fading effects can be done very fluently with javascript.
9.) Becuase you cant use windows to the full extent without one, and people want to read and not concentrate on their mouse moving the scrollbar