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RE: RE: RE: Australia
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With regards the IR laws (this is becoming an interesting thread!)

The fairness test:

The best fairness test is the employee. Why not let them decide if they would like to give up benefit X for reward Y? That's what the old system was.

I disagree with the employee "fairness test". How can something be fair if its decided by one of the two parties which obviously has a bias towards decisions benefiting themselves? There has to be a "test" or at least an approach to deciding whats fair - the IR system has to be fair on both employers and employees offering both incentives for employers to employ workers and offering employees some flexibility in the process as well.
It has to be made by both people concerned, and both people will have an interest in benefiting themselves. They should be able to decide what's fair on their own, however an external review can help employees recieve more consideration.

Verte, under the old system employees were not allowed to give up certain benefits for other rewards.

I would suggest, if any party disagrees, no agreement should take place. An employee should be able to get all the benefits required to be offered under the previous laws, and they can decide whether or not they stay based on the pay.

Employees certainly were allowed to give up benefits. Few employers offered a system for doing so is all. In Western Australia, many miners were on AWAs before the new IR laws. The difference today is that employers can mandate them for new employees. All they have done is remove choice from workers.

edit: fixed splelling.

This post was edited on 01-01-2008 at 06:22 AM by Verte.
was put impeccably into words at DebianDay for me last Saturday, by Knut Yrvin of Trolltech - adults try something once, fail, and then are like "ffs this doesn't work". Children try, fail, and then try again, and succeed - maybe on the second, or even fifth retry. But the thing is that they keep at it and overcome the problems in the end.

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Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 04:10 AM
RE: Australia - by RebelSean on 12-22-2007 at 05:14 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 05:18 AM
RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 07:03 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by rav0 on 12-22-2007 at 03:47 PM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 07:08 AM
RE: Australia - by Kenji on 12-22-2007 at 07:08 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 07:09 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 07:36 AM
RE: RE: RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 09:18 AM
RE: RE: RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 09:22 AM
Discrate as a Dictator!!! - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 09:28 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 07:19 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 07:38 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 08:02 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 09:29 AM
RE: Australia - by azn angel on 12-22-2007 at 09:35 AM
RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 09:42 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 10:02 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 09:38 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 09:51 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Verte on 12-30-2007 at 01:49 AM
RE: RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-30-2007 at 05:56 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 10:04 AM
RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 10:12 AM
RE: Australia - by Phillip on 12-22-2007 at 10:18 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 10:29 AM
RE: RE: RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 10:33 AM
RE: RE: RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 10:37 AM
RE: Australia - by Phillip on 12-22-2007 at 10:48 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by High Speed Chaser on 12-22-2007 at 10:58 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 10:59 AM
RE: RE: RE: Australia - by Phillip on 12-22-2007 at 11:04 AM
RE: Australia - by Eddie on 12-22-2007 at 01:28 PM
RE: Australia - by Oxy on 12-22-2007 at 02:28 PM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 02:53 PM
RE: Australia - by Spunky on 12-22-2007 at 02:55 PM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-22-2007 at 03:55 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by rav0 on 12-23-2007 at 02:49 AM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-22-2007 at 04:14 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 04:52 PM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-22-2007 at 04:55 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-22-2007 at 05:09 PM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-23-2007 at 01:11 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-23-2007 at 02:57 AM
RE: Australia - by mattisdada on 12-23-2007 at 06:30 AM
RE: Australia - by haydos on 12-23-2007 at 07:56 AM
RE: Australia - by azn angel on 12-26-2007 at 08:24 AM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-26-2007 at 11:01 AM
RE: Australia - by CookieRevised on 12-26-2007 at 12:03 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-26-2007 at 12:16 PM
RE: Australia - by CookieRevised on 12-26-2007 at 12:42 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-26-2007 at 01:22 PM
RE: Australia - by CookieRevised on 12-26-2007 at 01:31 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-26-2007 at 01:38 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by CookieRevised on 12-26-2007 at 01:53 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-26-2007 at 01:47 PM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-26-2007 at 02:37 PM
RE: Australia - by Phillip on 12-26-2007 at 02:50 PM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-26-2007 at 03:53 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by CookieRevised on 12-27-2007 at 12:12 AM
RE: Australia - by Jarrod on 12-26-2007 at 08:02 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-26-2007 at 11:16 PM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-27-2007 at 02:45 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-27-2007 at 06:14 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-27-2007 at 06:34 AM
RE: Australia - by -dt- on 12-27-2007 at 06:20 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-27-2007 at 06:25 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-27-2007 at 06:43 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Discrate on 12-27-2007 at 06:46 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-27-2007 at 06:50 AM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-27-2007 at 07:20 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-27-2007 at 11:42 AM
RE: Australia - by -dt- on 12-27-2007 at 11:52 AM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-27-2007 at 12:40 PM
RE: Australia - by Jarrod on 12-27-2007 at 12:50 PM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-27-2007 at 12:53 PM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-27-2007 at 01:00 PM
RE: RE: Australia - by Volv on 12-27-2007 at 01:05 PM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-29-2007 at 06:19 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-30-2007 at 06:13 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by rav0 on 12-30-2007 at 09:07 AM
RE: RE: RE: Australia - by Verte on 01-01-2008 at 06:19 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-30-2007 at 11:44 AM
RE: Australia - by haydos on 12-30-2007 at 07:07 PM
RE: Australia - by markee on 12-31-2007 at 12:56 AM
RE: Australia - by rav0 on 12-31-2007 at 02:55 AM
RE: Australia - by Chestah on 12-31-2007 at 04:21 AM
RE: Australia - by haydos on 01-01-2008 at 11:21 AM
RE: RE: Australia - by Verte on 01-02-2008 at 03:42 AM
RE: Australia - by Jarrod on 01-02-2008 at 12:07 PM
RE: Australia - by Discrate on 01-03-2008 at 06:52 AM
RE: Australia - by Volv on 01-03-2008 at 10:24 AM
RE: Australia - by haydos on 01-03-2008 at 05:16 PM
RE: Australia - by markee on 01-05-2008 at 01:31 PM


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