I know I'm bringing back a really old thread but I had written up a reply that I'd like your views on. I wrote it down on notepad since my net died then forgot about it until I was clearing off my desktop
I would like to say something someone once told me. I don't really agree or disagree with it. I'll post my views a bit later.
What he said was..
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Could we say that the US is the new UK? In the sense that like UK (a better term might be 'the british empire') took over parts of the world in the olden days. The current United States is doing the same.
Democracy means letting the masses decide on what is to happen, right? Why take action unilaterally? Lets turn the clock back to the 19th of March, 2003. Did the US go to the UN before declaring a war against Afghanistan? I thought the UN was formed after WW2 to stop such things. Stop countries from saying 'fuck this. I'm going to war with you. Die.' Maybe I'm wrong. I certainly ain't an expert in history
OK you did have the Taliban regime in the Afghanistan. They were creating problems to world peace as you said. OK fine, we believe you. I don't really think asking the UN first would have made a huge difference. Any other country doing this would tons of sanctions on them. Was the same done with the US? I certainly didn't see an adverse effect.
Lets move on to something even more disturbing. The Iraq war. Did you, this time around, consult the UN? No. You justified the war with claims of them having WMDs. Did you find any? To this day, did you? Certainly you don't need these many years. Of course, my knowledge on this fact might be inaccurate.
So basically you went to war because the prime minister was doing inhumane acts (I believe there was some genocide). Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't a similar situation prevelant in Zimbabwe? Oh I get it. Not enough incentive to attack them. Not a strategic enough position to make a base on.
I believe that the US has bases on a lot of countries around the world. Clearly its using its status as a super power to a huge advantage. Its location "far away" from other countries who took a major part in the WWs is the reason for this power, I would say.
The UN? What UN? If something had to be done, it would have been. I would say that the UN is just another thing that the US controls. Its more like the US is a mob trying to get whatever it wants however it wants. Call it paranoia, call it what you want, but it is clear that they don't always take decisions with consultancy. Defy me, I screw you.
Hope for a better peaceful world where everyone is at par seems bleak. This is just a nightmare waiting to happen.
As Einstein once said, 'I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with but I know that World War 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.'"
Of course, when I heard this.. it left me thinking. Sadly I didn't have enough knowledge on the subject to know right from wrong or even to comment but I'm hoping someone here does.
As for them pulling out of Iraq, its a tricky situation.
a) You pull out and the country doesn't stand up on its feet, you have to go back and start again.
b) You don't pull out, the world will be on your back (for the right reasons..)
I say they follow a third option 'c'.
c) Bring the country up to a stable state. Announce a date of pulling out well in advance. Keep a probation period. If things start getting worse (you don't expect everything to get better overnight.. might take time), then come back in and support the government.
The people who are still fighting will hopefully realise that when foreign troops move out, they should start a democratic process to get the country back to its feet. Here's to hoping it happens
An eternal optimist hoping the world will be a safer and peaceful place to live in,
JA
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