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I quite like Shawnz' idea too
The only problem is you're essentially creating a skin of a skin which seems a bit dodgy

Also, I don't really see how this would really deter/prevent people from ripping skins, but it is a good suggestion never the less.

well if they want to rip a skin, its usually because they really like parts of it but want to change others, and this lets them do that without ripping anything

Very good idea ShawnZ. I am with you!

A mod for a skin for a add-on for a messenger huh? I don't know, not feeling that personally. I can imagine there are skinners who wouldn't like people modifying their creations, it's the opposite of what Willz is trying to achieve.

If you like to modify a skin for personal use there's nobody stopping you, and if you think your modification is really great you can contact the original creator about it. But if people were to release modifications of existing skins, how does that promote creativity and originality?

Also, by far most of the rips couldn't really be called a modification of the original skin. It's usually a completely different looking skin but based on the original skin's XML/DLL files with images from the original skin left here and there... most of the times done badly because (no offense) many of these skinners aren't sure what they're doing and haven't really read documentation. Would the original creators really like to see some random rip as a "modification" to their original work and have rippers continue to work without learning anything? Or would you rather see these rippers base their skins on a clean core where they are told why things are done a certain way and how to do skinning properly in a practival way?

I agree with MenthiX but ShawnZ has a point. His suggestion would help avoid what Volv wisely said, that this skin Willz is creating would stop new skinners from being creative based all in the same skin

I think its a great idea. mainly coz i want a skin but its all gobbledegok to me but can make graphics. I just cant believe people would think they could get away with ripping u lot off argh! If you do make this i would be so grateful x

what? Skin mods?
ok...but i disagree with this idea. Why in the world would we make it easier for lazy ppl to copy our work, rather than just blocking them from doing it?

Willz idea is pretty good, but i don't know if it is really going to work, but i think we should give it a change, who knows...
but, like basilis said, all skins would be based in one skin...and this wouldn't be really good at al.

Let's face it... skin ripping is almost a "Problem without solution", even DLLs can't stop rippers...unfortunately...
wouldn't a "Report Ripping" button in the database be better?

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Originally posted by blessedguy
wouldn't a "Report Ripping" button in the database be better?

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or just have MenthiX do a quick check on the files and stuff?

I can tell which skin is ripped from Willz...and of course ripped from me...every skinner has their own unique style of organizing things and making things work. And don't forget, some rippers use identical file names in their skin (chronos.png: I doubt anyone would copy that ).

Hey .. HI to all

I gotta tell this to all of you guys ...
It's eating my mind,i can't keep it in me anymore .
I would be thankful if you don't ban my account,but i gotta tell that i "was" a Skin Ripper,my First CS Skin,was made by overwriting the Life of Vista's images (which is made by Ethan a.k.a Nagamasa),he knows that and he asked me to give a credit to him,which i forgot ,anyway,i have sent an e-mail  to the skins database to include him as an author ...

Hope you all will forgive me for the stupidness that i have done,and i swear that i am not making that anymore,my next skin i'm working on is completely done by ME. I ask to all of you "guys" (loooool aNILEator ) for forgiveness cause every man can make a mistake . But also can regret for the job that he has done

And,i'm not affraid not even lazy to learn how to make a skin,in fact i wanna know everything about computers even hacking

But please forgive me for the "SIN" i have made

I ASK FOR FORGIVENESS

Willz

But I don't see how such a basic skin will stop creativity as some have suggested.

In fact, I think it will increase it, since the learning curve will again be lower with the aid of this basic skin. People who want to learn skinning and want to dive into it right away can use this skin. If they can't do what they want to do with this basic skin they can easly read the documentation. And because they have a working example, it would be even easier to understand I think.

People who are bolder can start with nothing, just like it is now. And be creative all they want. Nothing is stopping them.

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Originally posted by markee
I think when you make this that it should be included with plus! or as an optional download when looking at the skinning preferences (like the skinning documentation).

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Eventhough I certainly don't doubt Willz skillz, I personally don't want to see it included in Plus!. It is still not something everybody will use. And why including this and not something else? If it is included, there are way more things which "should" be included, imho.