Shoutbox

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Originally posted by absorbation

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Originally posted by CookieRevised
That's why there are options to disable auto-starting (Smilie)

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It should be disabled by default! It's happened to me and probably others, someone could of lost something really valuable due to this feature. I just find it's the little things that count and Vista is a really poor operating system for the amount of development time on it if I am honest (I don't care about 'under-the-hood' features, I want to see things I have paid for).

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Unless your a hacker/cracker (like me... shhhhh) automatic updating is very convienent and wont loose you a thing.....

Like i said, you pressing the Reset Now, button is what lost your work.

Hate it when people do that.... something pops up, and they think its a game, what butting will f' up there computer more!
"Do you wish to wipe your computer?" "Certainly!"
"This program is asking to few your cammara and send its data to pedophile.pedo.com. Do you wish to continue" "Sure, why not, im naked, so they wont see anything special"... grrrrr

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Originally posted by CookieRevised

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Originally posted by absorbation
I got really frustrated when Vista updated itself and restarted without telling me, and I lost half the essay I wrote ...

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That's why there are options to disable auto-starting

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Originally posted by mattisdada
Vista will never just "reset itself". If you happened to press "Reset now" when a popup asking if you wanted to reset.... well, its going to reset isnt it? (Smilie)

And if you set it to Auto Update. Then yes, it will AUTO update.....

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As for MS not listening: Yes, for some products they need to listen more. For other products they listen a bit too much (imho)....

Remember that MS is 'just' a brand name actually, and a big global company. Each and every product has his own policies, ways of doing things, own offices, etc... including its own budgets!

As for Messenger, their budget isn't that big and they actually loose money! (yes, even with the adverts).

Also, consider that they've come a very very very long way in terms of listening to their customers. They're doing a great job... Of course, things can always improve.

But for things to improve they need you, the customer, too!!! You need to give them feedback. If you don't or you always give improper feedback (spam and stuff like "it doesn't work") then of course they are not going to listen in the long end.

As for speed of producing products and updates: That too is a result of how things work at those levels. Plus! is made by 1 person and doesn't depend on 10001 things and 3rd party stuff. The same can be said for other stuff like FireFox. Although that app obviously must work with a lot more stuff, it still has a rather limited platform.

The main thing from MS products is that they all are in someway related to eachother, need to work with eachother and are run on the most used platform in the world. Such stuff needs to be tested and that takes longer than a 3rd party product which expects that the platform it runs on (MS!) is stable. It sounds stupid, but think about how it comes how all their products look similar and how it comes that you instantly (mostly) reconize menu items and what they stand for (eg: why is the menu Edit called Edit and not something else (eg: change)). Such things need time... A 3rd party developer doesn't have such issues and just could call that menu whatever he wants (and some do). This is all part of the big (slugish) picture, fortunatly (everything is easly reconized by people) or not (slowness in r&d and testing).


And there are as much (dis)advantages to open source as there are to closed source. Both things can not be compared like that as they both work in completely different ways.



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Note: I'm not a MS-fanboy at all. Their is plenty of MS-stuff which I have issues with. And I love stuff from other platforms too. But I'm also sick to see people bashing MS just because "they can" or because "everybody does it"... At least try to understand a few things first before bashing MS to kingdom hell. When you do, be my guest, I maybe may join you with some issues

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Hmm, you brought up a couple of really good points there cookie.

Yes it is true, Microsoft is split up into many such "mini-organisations", but, MS still need to get there act together.... Windows 7, needs to be a brand new platform. I dont care if we will have combatability problems! I just want a new stable platform. We will deal with it...... (On that note, alot of Apple fanboys have been hounding Vista for its incombatabilitys..... does anyone remember when Macs became Intel? There was 0 combatability )

I like open source as a concept, in practice.... it doesnt work so good. It generally doesnt get tested as much, and developers generally arnt that commited to it as much as someone getting employed and paid to do it..... so it does weaken projects.

And what products do you belive that they have listened "to much" on? Is it office? Beaucase i belive they listened to much on Office, but i acctually like Office 07. I like the ribbion, it just takes a day or two to get used to where everything is. But its far more powerfull as well as quicker in generall...... My powerpoint presentations have never had so much OMPH, then they do with 07.... Lots of fancy effects .

Im not saying that Microsoft is bad or anything... im just saying, they could do a bit better.... Windows is good for a singular reason, its 3rd party support. Most other OS's you just cant find the range of software you can for Windows, you can do practicly anything on Windows, but your limited far more on other OS's. If it lost that.... well..... theres better choices now a days .

And another project that doesnt get mentionend enough is Sun Micro's Solaris...... I personally dont like it, but its great as a local server..... So everything has its use