Shoutbox

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Originally posted by breath
Well if the fact that you can change it to whatever you want = not showing your personal info, isn't enough for you, i presume you shouldn't use it.
I understand it can be a problem for you, but it's something personal.
Don't wanna show your name, change it. Easier seems impossible.

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The point is that the damage (revealed full name) has already been done BEFORE you can put in false information. That is the privacy issue here! Everybody knows you can put in false information, but you shouldn't need to...

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Originally posted by breath
Plus we are talking about a beta, there are flaws and it's supposed to be so, probably some flaws are really huge. If you don't want to take the risk you should never use beta of any softwares, it's normal.

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This has got little todo with it being a beta though. These changes go way deeper than that. This is not just a "little issue" like a shortcut which isn't working or whatever, this is a design/conceptual flaw, a privacy concearn.  And it will probably still be there when WLM goes out of beta (because this has got little todo with the WLM program itself, but all with the underlying protocol and Windows Live concept).

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Created by wrong usage??? Sorry but that's absolutely twisting it around. The wrong usage here is the need to set false information to work around a privacy issue!!!!

And setting false information goes against one of the main purposes why MS made that change towards showing the full name (besides having things "consistant"): "to fight scams, phising and false info" in the first place... These are not my thoughts, but litteral quotes from one of the MS people.

So, on top of the privacy issue, it is also a design/conceptual flaw; by the way they designed it, they almost force people to do exactly that what they wanted to prevent in the first place...

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Originally posted by breath

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Originally posted by Menthix

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Originally posted by breath
For me makes no sense to talk about such little issues (cause it's an issue created by a wrong usage)

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Wait, what!? Sure, everybody has different priorities. But caused by wrong usage? By who? It is now my fault I filled in my last name because Microsoft told me not to worry and I told Microsoft to not publish the last name, but months later Microsoft "simplifies" their privacy controls and decided that last name I told Microsoft is private is now public information??

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Again you are talking about msn 2009. Keeps using it, if you have problems with the beta.

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No, he actually is not. He is talking about the concept of Wave 4. Even without a WLM beta, this issue would still be there!

Like explained many times before, it does not matter what version YOU use, it matters what OTHER people are using. Again, this has got little todo with the WLM program (and version) itself. It has todo with the underlying protocol, with how Wave 4 handles your personal data.

By using WLM 2009 (or Trillian or any other IM client) you will NOT prevent that somebody using WLM 201x, or any other client compatible with Wave 4, will be able to see your name at some point.

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Originally posted by breath
The terms are the same, if the terms change you get a new advice and you have to agree again. In them you agree to give some personal information and agree to show them through the network.

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Wrong. By agreeing to the Terms you do not agree with showing your personal info throught the network! That is not what the Terms state.

It states that you will agree that MS KNOWS your personal data and can use it to improve their services (eg: collecting data and doing some research in what stuff is used the most or in what way), but NOT that it will be given 'away' to other people.

Also, in the description of the last name field it clearly states "Don't worry, you can choose who sees it". Which is not entirly correct. You can not seperatly decide who sees your last name and who doesn't. And as Menthix has shown clearly, there are always people who can see your full name, there is no setting like "Just Me" for the name!