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Originally posted by breath
With wrong usage I mean:
-Accepting a condition where you give booth the approval to collect and show the information that you would like to hide;
"At some Microsoft sites, we ask you to provide personal information, such as your e-mail address, name, home or work address, or telephone number. We may also collect demographic information, such as your ZIP code, age, gender, preferences, interests and favorites. If you choose to make a purchase or sign up for a paid subscription service, we will ask for additional information, such as your credit card number and billing address, which is used to create a Microsoft billing account."
-Put the information you want to hide in a profile you accepted to be showed in the network.
"Microsoft collects and uses your personal information to operate and improve its sites and services. These uses may include providing you with more effective customer service; making the sites or services easier to use by eliminating the need for you to repeatedly enter the same information; performing research and analysis aimed at improving our products, services and technologies; and displaying content and advertising that are customized to your interests and preferences. For more information about the use of information for advertising, see the Display of Advertising section below."
Then you shouldn't have put your real name first/last on your profile agreeing with those terms.
Sorry, but no.
Those terms do NOT give MS any approval to show your personal data to others!!! That is not what those Terms explain.
Putting in your real name is NOT wrong usage at all. In fact, those Terms state that such info will only be used 'internally' for research to improve their services and to imrpove YOUR OWN experience (notice the words "you" and "your" in that second paragraph). They do not state, in any way, that your information will be given to others without your approval!
But let's assume you are right and that putting in your real name is wrong usage. Than why on earth do they call those fields "First Name" and "Last Name" and on top of that refer to them across the Live Services as your real name and encourage to put your real name in? And why are those fields also listed together with stuff like "Address", "Street Name", etc, if you weren't suppose to put in your real name? That wouldn't make any sense.
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Originally posted by breath
I'm not saying it's your fault, I'm saying that they got your approval to do that when you agreed those terms
But that is exactly the point; they did NOT have the approval to give away your personal data to others like that when you agreed to those Terms. Even in this new situation!
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Originally posted by breath
... so you can't really do nothing else then unregister and stop using it, if you don't like it.
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but the only thing you can do if you don't like it is to, stop to use it, give them a feedback, and hope for a change that you will like.
Which is exactly the same what happened to Facebook before when they did such a similar change.
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Originally posted by breath
I understand your point, even if you don't seem to be willing to understand my point,
What is your point then?
That it gets similar? We can all agree with that I think.
Take it or leave it? Sure (although the 'damage' is already done for existing users)...
But other than that, there is nothing you've said in reply to our posts (refering to Menthix' and mine) that would justify the move MS has taken in regards to this name issue.
Don't get me wrong though. That they wanted to streamline all the different (nick)name settings and make the shown names consistant across all the Windows Live Services is a good thing. But that would still not justify the move they took though. They decided for us that our names would be visible to others. And that isn't a good thing.
So, the point is that they either needed to give people a proper warning and explanation of what would happen and get their descriptions strait (refering to "you can choose who sees it") BEFORE they made the move. So people could decide to keep using it or leaving it. Or either they need to revert the changes again (although it is now already a bit too late).
If they had a proper setting to hide the name or gave a clear and correct warning before they took the move, then it would of course indeed be up to the people to decide to take it or leave. But now, they didn't gave people any choice and revealed their name to others without any prior approval.
And it is NOT handled under the Terms either. Nor does the Terms automatically give MS any right to do so!
Granted, for many this wont be a problem at all, but there are others for which this is indeed a big problem. And if those people had known this would happen upfront, they would either have changed their real name to something fake (which would actually be the "wrong usage") or they would have cancelled their Windows Live Account, no harm done.
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Originally posted by breath
I don't see really a lot of difference between Live and the other social networks, I'd say that Live made the microsoft social network really the same of the others, not saying that it's good, it's just really really similar atm.
Yep, it indeed is now. It was one of the reasons why some people use this Windows Live Network but not stuff like Facebook and others btw.
But as said, that is not so much the issue (it is probably part of "going further and don't stand still" anyways). The main outcry is in the way they handled it WITHOUT properly and clearly explaining the consequences it might bring towards some people's privacy.
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