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Originally posted by fish

"Local" - Normal Moderators - are useless on a forum of this size because they need to be able to moderate the other forums as well. Adding new moderators isn't the solution to a spam problem either - we've discussed this too. Oh, and if you see this spam then do us a favour and report it! It will be dealt with!

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Er, the point in Local Moderators is to moderate CERTAIN forums, not to be able to moderate them all. That is what Super Moderators are for. My point being, if you add locals it will still cut down on the amount of reported posts we report daily, and it would reduce spam in the long run, IMHO.

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Originally posted by fish
3 strikes and you're out for a long time. As you'll see, toddy is now gone.

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That is very contridicting, because since I have been back, ShawnZ & Toddy have both been banned at least 3 times each, toddy more than that I do believe. Especialy with ShawnZ trying to exploit the board . But as you said, toddy is now gone (for good?).

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Originally posted by fish

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Originally posted by XxRebelSeanxX
Testing & Trashing: I think there should be set guidelines on what is allowed to be posted there. The current posts and threads are 99% useless, but I know the forum is there for people to spam. But when people go in topics and just go "HI" or  post one emoticon, it gets annoying, examples are there you just have to look.

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Indeed.

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Any plans on stricter guidelines being added?

The forum is coming apart, some things do annoy me, there was a thread about mippo today but since i've joined i've never seen him, not flaming anyone it's just an example.

Also the pointess spammy threads are getting too often, no offence to omar, just an example, but his a huge spammer in this community and does'nt help must however is great in the spanish forums So some people are liked for not doing things on this forum.

Also people who have reps like 8 with no posts becuase they are on irc etc.

Just some things that tic me off, not trying to flame or judge certain people

Thanks again.

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Originally posted by XxRebelSeanxX
Especialy with ShawnZ trying to exploit the board

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I DIDNT!

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Originally posted by Absorbation
The forum is coming apart, some things do annoy me, there was a thread about mippo today but since i've joined i've never seen him, not flaming anyone it's just an example.

Also people who have reps like 8 with no posts becuase they are on irc etc.

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Some people do a lot on IRC for the community, they help for hours on end dedicating a lot of time to real time tech support for Plus and MSN in general. You wanna deny people a rep point for that? You can't give reps on IRC, so I think some leeway is permissible in that.

As for Mippo - click the forums team link. He's an elite member, that's not given for no reason.

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Originally posted by XxRebelSeanxX

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Originally posted by fish

"Local" - Normal Moderators - are useless on a forum of this size because they need to be able to moderate the other forums as well. Adding new moderators isn't the solution to a spam problem either - we've discussed this too. Oh, and if you see this spam then do us a favour and report it! It will be dealt with!

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Er, the point in Local Moderators is to moderate CERTAIN forums, not to be able to moderate them all. That is what Super Moderators are for. My point being, if you add locals it will still cut down on the amount of reported posts we report daily, and it would reduce spam in the long run, IMHO.

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You missed the point. Local mods are useless on this board (not to mention on many others as well) because decent modding means being able to move threads to other subforums, joining several same threads but posted in different forums together, monitoring a spammer who doesn't keep his spam to 1 subforum (obviously), etc...

Local mods are only truelly usefull if your board is divided in very clear and big non-related subforums (aka having actually more then one board so to speak), not if a board is about one or two main subjects and has subforums which overflow in eachother. and IMHO, this goes for most if not all messenger related forums I've seen; a team of 20 local mods isn't better than a team of 5 'supermods'. In fact it is worse as more local mods need to be added all the time to keep fighting spam as local mods are restricted in what they can do and thus there need to be more mods online all the time to completely cover a board)

On this board there is no such thing as a 'local' mod, it doesn't exist, each mod is equal and covers the entire board. The staff people all trust eachother, like a good staff team should. I say this because you would only make someone a local mod because you don't fully trust him/her to be able to judge over other subforums; otherwise you might as well make him/her a full mod in the first place which would be much more convenient and usefull for both parties...

All this has been discussed many times before btw...

EDIT: And before you say "but there are admins on here, so why don't you make all the mods admins then?": there is a huge difference between 'admin vs supermod' and 'supermod vs localmod'.... Admins do more stuff than supermods and need to have knowledge about the inner workings of a board, hence they administrate a site, this isn't only about 'trust'.... But supermods can't do anything more or don't need to know anything more than a normal mod would (only they aren't restricted to one subforum), hence I say that local mods are only restricted local mods because they are not trusted as much as the supermods; there is no other difference between the two.

As said: adding local mods, normal mods, admins, more options, report buttons, deleting reputations, whatever... all that isn't going to change a thing as all that are means to fix the results of a problem. They don't fix the problem itself being: the attitude of the members of a forum.

If everybody had a good senseable and muture behaviour there wouldn't be any need for report buttons, mods, etc...