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Originally posted by M73A
Personally i agree with Jack Straw, i would find it rude if someone was wearing one of these veils whilst in a meeting/conference....
what on earth is rude about wearing them???? o.O
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Originally posted by M73A
i also agree on the comment that 'wearing the veils seperates muslims from everyone else' (or something along those lines). The veils do not help a multicultural comunity blend and get along.
How do they not help?
If you speak of a 'multicultural community' it means that in this community people are from multiple cultures. If eveybody wears the exact same thing, behaves the same way, say the same thing, etc you don't have a multicultural community at all.
Also, why is it that everybody always talks about veils as if those people are the only people with the only religion which has some visible elements.
If veils are not allowed, so must be crosses, white border from the priest, etc... Heck, ANY other clothing or ornament which has even the slightest reference to some religion or culture (eg: piercing, tattoos, etc...).
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Originally posted by M73A
a cross is not blocking/hiding the whole face, also... liek bluewater, you cant wear a hood... bt you can wear a full on face mask basically.
Sorry, but the argument of "we can't see their face" has no ground at all.
Tbh, there are thousands, maybe millions of meetings done each day over phones, etc. So are all those meetings bad, doomed to fail, etc?
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Originally posted by M73A
why does showing their religion have to be in the form of hiding their identity.
What has that got to do with it other than you not understanding that specific religion and thus wanna forbid it (discrimination comes to mind here).
Why are chirstians baptised? Why do certain people not wear cloths? Why do some people 'mangle' their body (ear-rings)?, etc
Also, I'm not an expert on the religions where women are veiled, but there are perfect reasons for it in their religion. Why should they be forbidden to practice their religion???
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Originally posted by M73A
you said a christian wears a cross... (im not pro that either...) but it doesn't hide their face, or make things awkward
They might find christian practices ackward too. If you find something ackward that's your problem, not theirs.
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Originally posted by M73A
im not sayign they should give up their religion or anythin
Actually you do say they should give up their religion if you wanna forbid it!
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Originally posted by M73A
its not just the veil though, its that multiculturalism is becoming harder, and the veil isnt helping muslims blend in.
so you want a multicultural society where everybody wears and does the same? Sorry, but that is not multicultural at all, that's saying "adapt or get away", aka serious discriminating.
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Originally posted by Time
Also, in some Arabic countries they are rarely worn so implying it is a custom they brought with them is pretty stupid.
using that as an argument is pretty stupid to. If someone is wearing a veil it is her custom to do.
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Originally posted by Time
Next, recently a BBC newsreader was disciplined for wearing a crucifix whilst presenting the news because it might offend Muslims etc. - tell me how that is fair.
Because a newsreader has a job to be neutral as possible and bring the news as facts without showing any biased elements.
This is exactly the same when a newsreader would wear the insigna of his political party, or when he starts to give personal comments on the news facts.
A meeting is totally different than a news program too. In a meeting/discussion you obviously belong to a certain group/party/side.
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Originally posted by traxor
What I'm saying is, why should we have to adapt when THEY chose to come HERE?!
Sorry, but tell me how we do or should adapt then? What adaptation do they demand we take? None!
Ok, granted, there is one adaptation you need todo: having respect for a fellow human being who is different than you or has different believes.
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Originally posted by traxor
Well they should see England for what it is now rather than what it used to be, in the few years their opportunities will decrease and they'll be forced to do stuff against their religion, it's what will happen, they have to obide by our laws if they're in our country. They can't come to our country expecting to bring their laws over here and say "this is a muslim area, stay out" (which is exactly what a heckler said at one of Jack Straw's speeches. How does that heckler have the right to say that, it's not their area, it's the governments area?!
Serious generalizations you do here and typically (willingly or not, dunno) extreme right-winged talking.
Not only do they obey the rules, they also will always have opportunities which do not go against their believes. Obvioulsy if they don't agree with something (eg: working in a slaughter house or whatever (just some random example)) then they don't do it, simple as that.
Also, of course there are always people who go against the law, that is nothing specific to muslim people, let alone veil wearing women.
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Originally posted by FrozenDaggers
Everyone has a right to wear what the hell you want. At the end of the day it's part of a religion. Wearing a Christian cross isn't banned, that's showing the religion. Wearing a veil is just a Muslim way of showing their religion.
This annoys me. *flies away*
I totally agree
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Originally posted by Chrono
It's a part of their culture/religion/whatever. You just cant go against them, it's stupid. They can wear whatever they want.. i agree that for must of us it's weird, but it's the way they see the world. you cant expect them to stop doing it cause we dont like it. It's as if at some point they decided that underwear is bad and expected us to stop wearing them too (it's a silly example but you get the idea).
I totally agree
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Personally I find it very offensive that people even consider forbidding veils or would even questionning wearing them; it is their believe and they have the right to practice their believe.
I'm very shocked reading certain comments in this thread. On the other hand, it is actually also no surprise when I think about some past (and even current) events on the Plus! IRC channels where a certain group of people comming from a specific country are branded by definition loosers/crap/scum/etc...
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Rest of replies will follof when I'm at home..
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