Shoutbox

yeah, I do understand your point.

But the things I said about the pc-wizards, like "A true PC wizard knows that reformatting (...)" weren't mean for the average people, but was meant for those who think they are a pc-wizard, but really aren't or only know something about a certain specific subject... The emphesize is in that sentence is on true.

If newbie people make mistakes, that's all natural and normal of course. I would never say "A true PC wizard knows that reformatting (...)" to somebody who is new or not so experienced in informatica, because they are not true pc wizards (yet).

But, in Plus!, it is very clear how to install/uninstall the applications itself and the sponsor if you follow the instructions given to you. All that people need to do is read.

For the uninstall itself, there is nothing special about and it follows every guideline of the "user-friendlyness", so to speak. A program is uninstalled from add/remove programs in Windows. These are things which even the newbie user should know. And besides, it isn't that abnormal or difficult to know this either.

The biggest problem with all this is not Plus! or the setup program, which afterall doesn't do anything abnormal and is very user-friendly (if all you do is read what is put on screen), but the fact that some people listen and read what those so-called-experts say on certain forums. And because these people don't have expertize of their own, they take the crap talk from these "pc-wizards" for granted. Who can blame them...

I can given douzen of examples where these "experts" say to use anti-spyware programs to kill a program. Well, this is the last step anybody should be taken. The first step should be to look into add/remove programs for a way to uninstall the application like it was meant to.

So the trouble is not with the newbies who make mistakes, but with these fake experts who give very wrong and bad advise.

Nevertheless, Patchou has listened to people like you and their needs, and still listens to them. That's why, over the several versions, the setup and uninstall procedure got user-friendlier and user-friendlier up to a point where it is now. It really can't be made more easy and user-friendly than it already is. Of course, you will always get people who don't bother to read something, but this isn't the fault of the programmers...

And about computer getting user-friendly. True, computers have come a long way. But again, they are at a point where it realy can't be much more "user-friendly". A computer still stays a machine. With every type of machine there comes instructions which you need to know before you can use it properly. Unfortunatly, many vendors (and in this case I take MS in this group also) push and push and push on this user-friendly thing up to a point where the people like you are actually kept dumb so to speak. This isn't good either.

You need basic knowledge to run any machine. Take that add/remove programs for example; that is a very basic thing people need to know before they could properly install/uninstall a program. If they want to remove something, they should automatically think "ah, I need to look into add/remove programs for that". It is not up to the programmers of these programs to teach people that. It is up to those who build the OS, or even up to those who sell this machine to somebody to inform them about how you use it...

Anyways, your input and point of view in this is certainly noted (and thank you for the nice discussion, because as you can read on several forums and even in some threads on this forum, not everybody is so mature to be able to discuss this in a civil way)