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Originally posted by Discrate
This is this conspiracy crap i was talking about.
Again, stop pretending you are more aware then me of all the legislation & bills the American government is trying to pass. If you actually look at the stuff Obama, his administration, the congress and Obama's elected advisors are saying... you wouldn't be calling it 'conspiracy crap'
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Originally posted by Discrate
People are allowed to disagree with you, you don't have the right to hurl abuse at them for disagreeing.
Do you not get it? It's a yes or no question, Black or white. There is no agree or disagree. We were discussing whether Obama has or has not lied. The subject has no room for self opinion. Yet you continue to argue the idiotic point that theres room for grey....
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Originally posted by andrey
Comparing Obama's policies to things that happened in Nazi Germany is bullshit. To follow up in your logic, Bush built a network of secret CIA prisons where people were abducted and detained without indictment and subjected to torture (waterbording, sleep/sensory deprivation, other "enhanced interrogation techniques"). [= concentration camps?]
Yep, Bush is fucked up too, I won't argue against that. What's worse is that Obama is continuting to follow his path. Guantonimo bay was kept over, despite Obama promising to close it as soon as he became president.
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Originally posted by andrey
I know Americans sometimes have a pretty distorted view of what fascism/socialism/nazism is, but what Obama is doing now is far from it. He would still be considered a moderate/right-wing politician in most parts of Europe.
Having a universal healthcare system goes without saying in modern industrialized countries, and although no system is perfect, it's better than what the US currently has.
Fearing that the US will turn into a socialist country is completely irrational, fearing that it'll become a fascist state/dictatorship under this president is just as irrational.
Many Americans have a great understanding of what fascism/socialism/nazism is. Many new immigrants from socialist countries also recognize the path Obama is taking the country & can identify it as socialism in the infant stages.
If you truly look at what Obama believes, who he studied under, who he has appointed as advisers... you would worry too.
Often people forget the real reason for Nations. The United States of America does not need to have their government provide health care for them. Our Constitution does not give the federal government the power to manage it either. Our system was working very well until the corruption of government got involved, passed regulations & restrictions (which at the time benefited the politicians). Only 15% of Americans do not have health insurance, and not all of those people are without because of cost or lack of availability.
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