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So basically, you can't compare them? I think that's bullshit. The architecture doesn't matter when we're talking about "user friendly". All that matters (for most people) is just what gets the job done, and the quality of getting the job done (time, money, etc).

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Originally posted by PlusFan
The architecture doesn't matter when we're talking about "user friendly".

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That is (may be(?)) true.

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Originally posted by PlusFan
All that matters (for most people) is just what gets the job done, and the quality of getting the job done (time, money, etc).

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That depends also on the hardware/architecture, so the comparision you can do there includes it and isn't limited to the OSes.

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Originally posted by Choli

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Originally posted by PlusFan
The architecture doesn't matter when we're talking about "user friendly".

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That is (may be(?)) true.

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Originally posted by PlusFan
All that matters (for most people) is just what gets the job done, and the quality of getting the job done (time, money, etc).

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That depends also on the hardware/architecture, so the comparision you can do there includes it and isn't limited to the OSes.

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lol.. i don't think this debate is going to end soon enough !
Kinda getting away from the topic now with Hardware but o well

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Originally posted by Choli

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Originally posted by PlusFan
The architecture doesn't matter when we're talking about "user friendly".

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That is (may be(?)) true.

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Originally posted by PlusFan
All that matters (for most people) is just what gets the job done, and the quality of getting the job done (time, money, etc).

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That depends also on the hardware/architecture, so the comparision you can do there includes it and isn't limited to the OSes.

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Choli, what if I'd just measure a 'score' (like 19234) which symbolizes the way I can do something, in a user-friendly way, with architecture x + OS y. And I do that for 2 (arch+OS)'es. Let's say I'd get

19234 for (OS 1+arch1)and
18234 for (OS 2+arch2).

Now let's also say that I give/measure scores to/for the architecture

2234 for Arch 1 and
234 for Arch 2

as you can, arch1 scores more points. It could be because it gets the job done faster, because of a better processor or something.

(arch+os) - arch = os

19234 - 2234 = 17000 = OS1
18234 - 234 = 18000 = OS2

So in this way, we have gotten a score for OS2 & OS1 which we can compare.

Also, about your ferrari vs Porche comparisons, where you didn't test them on the same road, I agree that you can't take a conclusion "Porsche is better" from that. But you could say that the Porsche has easier ways to configure your seat, the radio, etc. since the road has no effect on them!

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lol.. i don't think this debate is going to end soon enough !
Kinda getting away from the topic now with Hardware but o well

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That's why debates ar e the best

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Originally posted by PlusFan
Now let's also say that I give/measure scores to/for the architecture

2234 for Arch 1 and
234 for Arch 2

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how can you meassure an architecture without taking into account the software running in it?

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Originally posted by PlusFan
(arch+os) - arch = os

19234 - 2234 = 17000 = OS1
18234 - 234 = 18000 = OS2

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do you really think that when you have two things working together (not only an OS and an arch.) the whole is the sum of the parts? why not a product? or a complex relationship? That isn't so easy

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Originally posted by PlusFan
But you could say that the Porsche has easier ways to configure your seat, the radio, etc. since the road has no effect on them!

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I agree. However, the way you can configure your seat, radio, etc... is not the only thing you have to take into account when buying a car. There are some other things that you should care about them too.

The same for OSes. Maybe you can compare the GUI, and, if you don't care about other things (you're a noob user, for example), you can say: this Os is better. But if you're not a noob, you should compare more things, and IMO the GUI of an OS isn't the most important part of it. The API (what programs can do), the HAL (which hw is suported), the connectivity, the robustness, etc... are more important things, IMO.

Okay, okay, you win Never mind

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Originally posted by PlusFan
But you could say that the Porsche has easier ways to configure your seat, the radio, etc. since the road has no effect on them!

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I agree. However, the way you can configure your seat, radio, etc... is not the only thing you have to take into account when buying a car. There are some other things that you should care about them too.

The same for OSes. Maybe you can compare the GUI, and, if you don't care about other things (you're a noob user, for example), you can say: this Os is better. But if you're not a noob, you should compare more things, and IMO the GUI of an OS isn't the most important part of it. The API (what programs can do), the HAL (which hw is suported), the connectivity, the robustness, etc... are more important things, IMO.

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Of course that matters, and ofcourse you should also look at other things, but still, you could say that you think OS1 is better than OS2, because: all your hardware worked out-of-the-box with OS2, but not with OS1, that OS1's GUI is better, that OS1 is more robust, that OS2 is ... etcetera

Shall we get on-topic again? Now, who thinks Longhorn is going to be revolutionary, and, why

um no i dont think it can get back on topic now this thread has turned into Plus fan and choli just arguing.
i think that if you have to buy a new piece of hardware to get your software to run then they cant be compared because you have to buy a new computer to get amc osx to work.

Yes, but you have to buy new hardware for Longhorn too, with it's annoying(tm) graphical(US patent 1209581952859180) thingies (c)

I have here some sreen shots:

Build 4008
http://www.zolknetwork.com/contentimages/longhorn...4008/startmenu.jpg

Setup
http://www.zolknetwork.com/contentimages/longhorn...8/installation.jpg

My Documents
http://blog.bretherton.net/images/15/r_Longhorn.jpg

Windows setup
http://kuvat.feikki.net/windows_longhorn/setup.jpg

My docs
http://longhornmania.fc2web.com/Windows%20Longhor...0Shot/lh4051-8.PNG

Desktop: http://blog.macich.net/data/longhorny.jpg

Thei're really nice!!!

I wonder if I could install longhorn on my laptop. I want it