Shoutbox

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Originally posted by Chris4
2. "Messenger Plus! Live plugin" is incorrect

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yes it is, and that's only the description -- you can edit descriptions.

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Originally posted by Chestah
Maybe something like this would be better:

"Messenger Plus! Live integrates into Windows Live Messenger's graphical user interface providing users with additional functionality."

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indeed...

btw:

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removed unsourced programming language (irrelevant anyway for closed-source software)

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unsourced? what do you mean by that? How can you 'proof' that something is written in a certain language? Do you need a screenshot of a PE analyzer? This seems very far-fetched and taking the whole 'source your fact' a bit too far and out of context.

Second, it is not irrelevant at all. Proof of that is, for example, that this question is asked on these forums. Closed source software can be programmed in a variarity of languages.
Please add this relevant information back.

It is this kind of extra background information which could/would lead to a comprehensive wiki article.

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(Multilingual - rename to Languages and indent to previous section - although I'm not sure if it's notable enough to list every language)

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The languages aren't part of the features. It can have its own catagory (also the reason why it has its own entry in the infobox for software template).

The list of the available languages can be there. I don't see why not. It is again extra information (although it needs to be updated each time a new language is added or removed. Although that does not happen a lot).


The whole idea of "it's not noteable enough" for each piece of information is quite often overused. The point of Wiki is to provide information about something. If you remove (or not list) such information then why do you have a wiki article of Plus! in the first place? In that case you could simply state that Plus! is an addon for WLM and be done with it. To say it differently, if a list of available languages is not noteable enough, then so is 90% of the rest of the article.


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Although I can understand why you removed most of the external links, the WP:EL also states that if the links are relevant they can be included. Those links were relevant (as they were the only official websites related to Plus!). It is not because such a site doesn't provide direct information about the product that it can't be listed.

WP:EL is more to provide a guideline to make sure that the external links section doesn't become a massive list of (advertising) sites. But since the links which were provided were only official links, they were relevant. Again proof of this is that some people download stuff from unofficial links and get into trouble. That on its own makes that such a list of official sites is already very relevant information.

Anyways, even if you are very strict in it, the following links provide direct relevant information. Even relevant in the strict sence, and thus should be there:
* http://shoutbox.menthix.net/history.php - Messenger Plus! version history timeline
* http://shoutbox.menthix.net/  - Messenger Plus! Live main forums

Would it benefit to add something about how/why these features make MP!L a valued add-on to WLM? Ease of use, customisation etc.

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Originally posted by Kezzinator29
Would it benefit to add something about how/why these features make MP!L a valued add-on to WLM? Ease of use, customisation etc.

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Highly depends on how you describe it. It would actually be very difficult I think, since stuff like "ease of use" is very biased. And without stuff like "ease of use" you can't properly describe how/why these functions make MP!L a valued addon.

Even "a valued addon" is biased. Unless you can proof somehow (scientific report/poll among millions of WLM users?) that the majority of people do find it usefull.

So in the end, to answer your question, I don't think so...

What about removing the Renaming section? Is it that much important there? It already states the renaming in the first paragraph

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and changed its name to "Messenger Plus! Live" when it was rewritten for the new release of Windows Live Messenger, which superceded both past clients.

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You can add one explanation about the old version is still avaliable to somewhere but I think you must remove Renaming section.

Also, if external links are included again it will be good, I agree with CookieRevised.

I don't know why titles are lighters than subtitles... maybe this should be changed too... (or is like that by default??? )

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Originally posted by ahmetgns
What about removing the Renaming section?

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No...

There is a big difference between MP! and MP!L and this distinction must be made. The MP!L page on wikipedia is a merging from the ol MP! page and a MP!L stub page. This makes that both programs (branches) needs to be explained in a clear manner.

Remember that this wiki page is a work in progress. Instead of removing stuff you better add stuff. eg: compatibility between the two. History of how MP! became MP!L.