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RE: Is there an end to space
Space must be infinite, because if it were to stop suddenly, there would have to be an infinite amount of matter after it

Space = absence of matter (sort of)

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This may not be true though because space isn't empty

i'm probably wrong, but thats wot i think

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RE: Is there an end to space
Or there could just be a place after space where the laws of time and space do not exist, matter can not exist, therefore nothings there...not even time...
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RE: RE: Is there an end to space
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Well I think that there is an end, in that we can't get past a certain point without going faster than the spped of light but if we could break that rule then we would be set. It's hard to explain, but the universe is moving apart so fast that there are some stars that we will never be able to see. If you wanna understand then read a new scientist from awhile back.


Where do you get that?  You can't go past the speed of light if you are mass because as you approach the speed of light, the energy required to accelerate you any further approaches infinity.  At the speed of light, it takes an infinite amount of energy to accelerate you any further.  As far as we understand, you can move as slowly through space as you'd like, you just won't get very far, and the chances of getting destroyed by a rock or planet are much greater than the chances of you reaching the "end of the universe".

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RE: RE: Is there an end to space
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It could have bounced off of thing (dust particles, other planets, etc) but then it wouldn't be travelling in a straight line, which is the whole thing behind the experiment.



Unless of course, space-time is curved (which supposedly it is by gravitational forces) in which case the light will follow the contour of space-time, still a straight line along that contour, but "bent".

If you did send a laser beam, I don't think it would have time to hit the "end" of the universe.  As fast as light does travel, it takes years even to reach us from some stars.

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RE: RE: Is there an end to space
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If there is an infinite amount of space but a finite amout of matter, well, it doesn't compute does it, the amount of matter in relation to the amount of space must also be infinitly small and well does that mean there is no matter?

I also read in New Scientist that Earth is a Spherical Geometry, which in small scales looks Euclidean (X, Y, Z all perpendicular). They think that space is the same but instead of being a sphere, it looks like a potato chip.


Just because something is infinitely small does not mean it is insignificant nor does it mean it is non-existant.  A black hole is considered a point in space, of infinite density and fixed mass.  To compress a fixed mass to infinite density, it logically follows that the point would have to be infinitely small.  However, the curvature of space-time around that black hole is definitely significant and even bends light toward it.  I hardly think you can say that that gravitational force does not exist.

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RE: Is there an end to space
I think space could have an end to it, but if we ever came even close to finding it, god would just add on another good chunk of space. 

Anyways, unless theres a big planet out there where the  naked angels from south park live, i dont care about space. 
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RE: RE: Is there an end to space
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That's why Maths is stupid

If matter = space (both are infinite)
then how can matter < space

MATHS IS DUMB


Just because space is infinite does not neccessarily mean the amount of matter in that space is infinite.  I believe there is a fixed amount of matter/energy in the universe.  If we take a box, and place a penny inside it, there is exactly one penny.  If we double the box in size, there is still only one penny.  If we take the size of the box out to infinity, there is still only one penny.

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RE: Is there an end to space
but in space, there is mostly this:

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CHAPTER 2
SPACE AND TIME
Our present ideas about the motion of bodies date back to Galileo and Newton. Before them people believed
Aristotle, who said that the natural state of a body was to be at rest and that it moved only if driven by a force or
impulse. It followed that a heavy body should fall faster than a light one, because it would have a greater pull
toward the earth.
The Aristotelian tradition also held that one could work out all the laws that govern the universe by pure
thought: it was not necessary to check by observation. So no one until Galileo bothered to see whether bodies
of different weight did in fact fall at different speeds. It is said that Galileo demonstrated that Aristotle’s belief
was false by dropping weights from the leaning tower of Pisa. The story is almost certainly untrue, but Galileo
did do something equivalent: he rolled balls of different weights down a smooth slope. The situation is similar to
that of heavy bodies falling vertically, but it is easier to observe because the Speeds are smaller. Galileo’s
measurements indicated that each body increased its speed at the same rate, no matter what its weight. For
example, if you let go of a ball on a slope that drops by one meter for every ten meters you go along, the ball
will be traveling down the slope at a speed of about one meter per second after one second, two meters per
second after two seconds, and so on, however heavy the ball. Of course a lead weight would fall faster than a
feather, but that is only because a feather is slowed down by air resistance. If one drops two bodies that don’t
have much air resistance, such as two different lead weights, they fall at the same rate. On the moon, where
there is no air to slow things down, the astronaut David R. Scott performed the feather and lead weight
experiment and found that indeed they did hit the ground at the same time.
Galileo’s measurements were used by Newton as the basis of his laws of motion. In Galileo’s experiments, as a
body rolled down the slope it was always acted on by the same force (its weight), and the effect was to make it
constantly speed up. This showed that the real effect of a force is always to change the speed of a body, rather
than just to set it moving, as was previously thought. It also meant that whenever a body is not acted on by any
force, it will keep on moving in a straight line at the same speed. This idea was first stated explicitly in Newton’s
Principia Mathematica, published in 1687, and is known as Newton’s first law. What happens to a body when a
force does act on it is given by Newton’s second law. This states that the body will accelerate, or change its
speed, at a rate that is proportional to the force. (For example, the acceleration is twice as great if the force is
twice as great.) The acceleration is also smaller the greater the mass (or quantity of matter) of the body. (The
same force acting on a body of twice the mass will produce half the acceleration.) A familiar example is
provided by a car: the more powerful the engine, the greater the acceleration, but the heavier the car, the
smaller the acceleration for the same engine. In addition to his laws of motion, Newton discovered a law to
describe the force of gravity, which states that every body attracts every other body with a force that is
proportional to the mass of each body. Thus the force between two bodies would be twice as strong if one of
the bodies (say, body A) had its mass doubled. This is what you might expect because one could think of the
new body A as being made of two bodies with the original mass. Each would attract body B with the original
force. Thus the total force between A and B would be twice the original force. And if, say, one of the bodies had
twice the mass, and the other had three times the mass, then the force would be six times as strong. One can
now see why all bodies fall at the same rate: a body of twice the weight will have twice the force of gravity
pulling it down, but it will also have twice the mass. According to Newton’s second law, these two effects will
exactly cancel each other, so the acceleration will be the same in all cases.
Newton’s law of gravity also tells us that the farther apart the bodies, the smaller the force. Newton’s law of
gravity says that the gravitational attraction of a star is exactly one quarter that of a similar star at half the
distance. This law predicts the orbits of the earth, the moon, and the planets with great accuracy. If the law
were that the gravitational attraction of a star went down faster or increased more rapidly with distance, the
orbits of the planets would not be elliptical, they would either spiral in to the sun or escape from the sun.
The big difference between the ideas of Aristotle and those of Galileo and Newton is that Aristotle believed in a
preferred state of rest, which any body would take up if it were not driven by some force Or impulse. In
particular, he thought that the earth was at rest. But it follows from Newton’s laws that there is no unique

A Brief History Of Time by Stephen Hawking

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RE: RE: Is there an end to space
hey! I like this discussion! :p

quote:
Originally posted by illuzn
heres the question i want in diagramatical form:
big bang-->theoretically 50% matter 50%anti-matter --> matter and anti-matter anhilate each other-->no earth or solar system or matter for that matter



well.. I looked into a web that somebody already post and found this:

quote:
Originally on http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,220659-1,00.html
the universe's first 1/1,000 of a nanosecond.
1) The big bang creates equal amounts of matter and antimatter.
2) One of every billion antimatter particles changes into a particle of matter.
3) Matter and antimatter annihilate each other.
4) The result: Antimatter destroys 99.9999999 percent of the matter in the universe.


so.. if this is true matter can be created from antimatter somehow.. . it's like matter had some predominion against antimatter

sorry for ma english n_nU..
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Originally posted by Zink

so.. if this is true matter can be created from antimatter somehow.. . it's like matter had some predominion against antimatter

The only thing I want AntiMatter for is to have a huge reactor :p...
And I believe AntiMatter can be created from Matter. In fact the US have a research facility that apparently has small amounts of anti-matter
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